Monday, February 17, 2014

How Height Can Affect Your Bra Fit


This is a subject that comes up every week when I'm speaking to clients about their bra fit. A woman's height is so often a factor in her bra fit that I'm surprised there's so little information out there about the correlation between height and bra fit. I hope this post will help you narrow down which features your bra should have in relation to your height.

Height and Breast Root Position
Firstly we need to talk breast root position. This is something I've written about before in Breast Roots and Bra Fit. Whether you're tall, short or somewhere in the middle you can have a high-set, low-set or medium-set breast root and this will play a big part in which kind of bra wires work for you. This excerpt from my previous blog post summarizes breast root position and wire length:


"Breast Root Height
On average, full bust women find that their breast root is between 5 and 7 inches lower than their armpit. If the distance between your breast root base and your armpit is less than 5 inches you often find that bra wires poke into your armpit. If this is the case for you then you have high set breasts and will benefit from bras with short wires that don't rise as high into your armpit.

If your breast root is farther down your body than 7 inches you can experience spilling at the sides of your bra no matter which size you try. You need tall bras with long wires that run equal to (or higher than) the side of your breasts."


Tall Women and Strap Length
Tall women often find that their breast root is proportionally lower than an average 5ft 5" woman and so they need their bras to be long enough to reach their breast root. Their breasts aren't necessarily so tall that they need a really long wire to encase a deep/tall breast, instead they need a shallow to medium wire length on a bra with long straps that can lower the cups down to their breast root. This might sound simple but you'd be amazed at how few bra straps are long enough for a long torso.

Partially Adjustable Left: the straps can only be adjusted as far as the ring Fully Adjustable Right: the straps can be adjusted all the way forward or back
Many bra straps are too short even when extended to their longest position. Bras that are bad for women with short torsos or high-set breasts are usually a good starting point for long torsos, even partially adjustable straps can be long enough when fully extended. NB Partially adjustable straps refer to bra straps where the slider cannot adjust over part of the strap either because of a design - lace pattern overly, for example - or because there is a ring separating the adjustable part from the non adjustable part - the non adjustable part is usually a wider strap portion for comfort.

If you are a tall woman with average or short height breasts then you need to find styles with a short to medium wire with a long strap. Here are some recommendations:

Cleo Bras - good for full all round and top heavy breasts. Lucy is good for side heavy and bottom heavy breasts.
Cleo bras have long, fully adjustable straps. The cup shapes are good for full all round, top heavy and side heavy breasts

Claudette has very long straps and the Dessous shape is good for wide set breasts, side heavy breasts and shallow breasts. Dessous has a short wire too.
Dessous by Claudette has long, fully adjustable straps. The cups are good for side heavy, wide set and shallow breasts

Jasmine, Gem, Tango and Envy are good styles for medium to tall breasts (ones that require a longer wire to encase a taller breast) that need longer straps.

These styles have medium to long wires on long straps which are good for medium to tall breasts on long torsos

Boobs Take Up More Space on Short Bodies
Imagine a 34G volume bust (34 inches around the body and a projection of around 8 inches away from the body). This volume of bust on a long torso is a very different fit to the same volume on a short torso. This is because the surface area that 34G breasts take up on a short torso is proportionally greater than the surface area on a long torso. The short torso woman with a 34G bust might find that bras jab her in the armpit more than the long torso 34G woman. When the shorter woman sits down her breasts are closer to her stomach than the taller woman so a bra with a band might flip up or cut into her stomach whereas it may not on a longer torso.

A surprising pattern has emerged through our size consultations. The same under bust and over bust measurements on women of different heights can alter their cup size by as much as three cup sizes depending on her height. It seems that for every inch you are under 5ft 4" your cup size is one volume larger than that of a woman over 5ft 5" with the same raw measurements.

If you have a short body or simply a short torso look for bandless bras with medium length wires. Fully adjustable straps are essential for short women. Check out my post on bras good for short torsos for some style suggestions.

Strap Position on the Shoulder and Height
Lots of bras have straps set too far apart for short women (and women with narrow or sloping shoulders). Besides making the straps slip off your shoulders more easily, straps that are too far apart for your body can buckle the cup shape. As you pull the straps closer in so that they sit on your shoulders it alters the shape of the cup and can cause gaping where the cups start to buckle. Short women benefit from bras with straps designed for narrow or sloping shoulders.

Left: Cleo bras have wide set straps that are ideal for average to wide frames. Right: Dessous has closer set straps ideal for smaller frames (and sloping or narrow shoulders)
At the other end of the spectrum tall women can find that bras with straps set too close together rest on the soft tissue close to their neck and this can cause pain because the pressure is on nerves that run up the side of the neck. Choosing the right strap position for your height can make a huge difference to your comfort.

I hope these height related fit tips help you narrow down what you need from a bra. If you have any questions please let me know in the comments and I'll do my best to get you answers! xx

26 comments:

  1. Such a fabulous article to draw awareness to this issue! It's mind-blowing how much of a difference height makes with finding a properly fitting bra. Thank you for writing this!!

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    1. Thank you! It is a very significant factor for lots of women so I hope this helps to shed some light on the features of a bra that will make all the difference to their comfort xx

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  2. thank you for this! I always thought my short build and larger bust played into how my bras fit, and now I understand why!

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  3. I'd like you to clarify the difference between being short and having a short torso. I'm short, but think I don't have a short torso because I so rarely experience many of the problems common for short women, such as straps not shortening enough. I've also seen taller women who are mostly leg, so this is why I think it would be interesting to distinguish between the two. You gave a measurement from armpit to the bottom of the breast root for breast position; is there a measurement from shoulder to bottom of breast root which would - perhaps as a proportion of overall height - indicate if you have a short torso or not?

    Is it possible to elaborate on which of the effects you've observed are specific to short women and which are specific to women with a short torso?

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    1. Sorry for the very slow reply on this. You're absolutely right that there is a difference between height and breast root position (the quote from my post on breast height addresses that very point). I don't have any details on shoulders to breast root but that's information worth looking into. The effects of a short torso or a high breast root are very similar and I would say that the elaborations are covered in the three posts
      Height and Bra fit (this post)
      Breast root position http://blog.butterflycollection.ca/2013/09/breast-roots-and-bra-fit.html
      Bras good for short torsos http://blog.butterflycollection.ca/2013/10/bras-good-for-short-torsos.html

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  4. I am a tall woman (5' 10") with a short torso length and I am plus size (16/18) In the world of clothing fashion and design I barely exist!
    Bra shopping was torture my whole life. Wires poked me under my arms, the straps were never long enough, the cups always had extra space as my boobs are not huge (another stereotype) and worst of all, the wire at the bottom the bras where the cups are, was always too low, hitting me in the ribs instead of supporting my breasts.

    Fast forward to last year. I was finally fitted by someone who actually knew what they were doing! Curvy Kate Balconette bras are now my holy grail! The straps are long enough, the wires at the sides short enough, and best of all, my bottom heavy boobs are supported in an array of beautiful, fashionable designs! That is thrilling for someone who was forced to wear only black, white or beige bras utilitarian because that is what was available to women who had a 40 inch or higher band size like me.

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    1. I'm SO glad you know the joy of having bras that fit you. It's frustrating that there aren't more options out there for you but you persevered and found something that makes you feel good! xx

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  5. What an informative post! Brava! I am 5' 2" and find that I always have to adjust the straps to make them shorter. I usually have the slider right at the top of my shoulder, which can be painful sometimes because of the digging in. I didn't realize how much the height affected the sizing. Thanks for posting this.

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    1. That is such a common problem - the slider sitting right on your shoulder bone, very painful! We mention height to our manufacturers on a regular basis so who know, maybe we'll start to see bras that are specifically designed for petite full bust women xx

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    2. I am having to add to my bra strap - cutting and adding - you could cut and make it smaller and therefore the slider wouldn't hit as high. If you can't do it, take it to a tailor!

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    3. Yes, please -- any help getting bras made for (even not especially petite) full-ish busted women who need shorter straps. Seems impossible to find! Considering really learning to use the sewing machine just so I can shorten my already fully-adjusted straps. But... given the $$$ we pay for bras, seems ridiculous to have to modify every single one. Rrrr!

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  6. This is a wonderful post. I am 5ft tall and my measurements are 26.5-27" underbust, with 36" standing bust(without bra, I have no well fitting bra) and 38" leaning bust measurement, can you suggest some bra sizes that I can try? Thank you.

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    1. I would start your bra explorations with a 28GG with the possibility that you need a cup volume larger in a 28H. Depending on your torso shape and fat you might feel better in a 30G or a 30GG (the same cup volumes as a 28GG and a 28H). The larger band can offset the lack of fat on a torso. I hope that gives you a starting point xx

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  7. YES finally this is being acknowledged!!!! I've experienced the whole fully extended bra strap that, despite extending no more, feels just a bit wrong and illfitting. I just thought I was limited to certain bras, I had a hunch that it had to do with height before however I couldn't find anything when I searched it. Great article! I'm glad I know why now!

    Thanks heaps!!!

    Millie xxxx

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    1. I'm so glad you found this helpful Millie. There are several less-talked-about aspects to bra fit that can be the key for some women to figure out their fit xx

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  8. Hi - Great article. I'm 6' tall and can never find a bra that fits properly. Straps are never long enough and cups are too close together. The "Claudette" sounds like it might work. Do you know if there are any places I can try it in Canada?

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    1. I know that Claudette are shipping directly to Canadian consumers now so you can shop directly with them. Otherwise, it`s worth visiting their website to find their Canadian retailers. xx

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  9. I actually pray to God that I may find a bra that fits. Currently I go braless even though I am in my 40s. Bras are very painful for me. I am 6 feet, slim but large boned at the same time, with a long body and smallish breasts. Nothing is proportioned for me, back band should be wider, straps wider and longer and the whole bra needs to be "taller", the cups are too close together. Sigh !

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    1. It's worth emailing one of the big online retailers and giving them your bra requirements: 'Fully adjustable straps, deep band and wide straps, wide gore and full coverage cups.' They should be able to send you a list of the bras they carry in your size with these fit requirements xx

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  10. What about bras with short wires? You didn't seem to say as much about people with shorter torsos. I'm 5ft and a half inches and have a really hard to find a bra with wires that don't always painfully poke me all day. Is there any brands you'd recommend?

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    1. Hi Shelby, check out this early post about bras good for short torsos xx http://blog.butterflycollection.ca/2013/10/bras-good-for-short-torsos.html

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  11. I am 47 and have always had issues with bra straps not being long enough. It wasn't until 3 years ago that I decided to cut up my bra straps and add length to the straps!! I'm also broad shouldered and therefore my ribcage is wider . . . but my boobs aren't big enough to fill a bigger cup size. Why in the world did I have to figure this all out on my own? You just told me all that I had to learn about myself at 44 - - why couldn't those ladies in the fitting rooms have told me that instead of putting my in a too tight bra with not enough length in the bra straps?!?! I am just now accepting that this is how God made me and that adding bra extenders to my 40C bra is okay and that adding to the straps is what I have needed to do all along. I swanney it makes me wonder if this isn't the cause of my back pain that I've had since I was a teenager. I have scoliosis - - in my upper back - - huh? Please get the right bra for your teenage girls . . . and every age. Just becasue they don't carry it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and doesn't mean that you/we aren't "normal." Now to wait for your website to be working again. :) Thank You.

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  12. This explains so much!!!!!! Thank you...I'm going shopping!!

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  13. I found this after searching for "bras with shorter straps." Desperately seeking bras with shorter straps! I'm average-ish height (~5'5") about a 34 D -- a small D it seems, 'til I put on a C cup and I'm squashed and blobbing out the top. I get fully adjustable straps and immediately slide them to the shortest setting -- sometimes I even have to pull a bit of the cup through the slider and then they're *almost* short enough. Any ideas author or anyone?

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